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		<title>By: Freddie Ashley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Freddie Ashley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 19:44:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I found the meeting very constructive and encouraging. For the non-profit arts community, these times are exceptionally challenging and scary. I appreciated that the bulk of the meeting was devoted to strategies and solutions, not simply a retread of the gloom and doom tales we&#039;ve all told and heard in recent months.

Thank you to MAACC for opening up this conversation.

Upward and onward.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found the meeting very constructive and encouraging. For the non-profit arts community, these times are exceptionally challenging and scary. I appreciated that the bulk of the meeting was devoted to strategies and solutions, not simply a retread of the gloom and doom tales we&#8217;ve all told and heard in recent months.</p>
<p>Thank you to MAACC for opening up this conversation.</p>
<p>Upward and onward.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 19:04:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh man, that website is totally lame compared to yours. There&#039;s not even a blog! No wonder you won that award a year or two ago...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh man, that website is totally lame compared to yours. There&#8217;s not even a blog! No wonder you won that award a year or two ago&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: lain</title>
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		<dc:creator>lain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 15:17:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Both!  You and I know that I am not above trickery.  

We&#039;ve found that our blog tends to be more preservation minded than arts minded -- at least when we choose to talk about issues affecting more than just the Wren&#039;s Nest.  It&#039;s not that we don&#039;t want to talk about the arts, but it&#039;s more like there&#039;s nobody talking about preservation.

At any rate, we thought this might be a good and relevant opportunity.   

For those of you interested, check out MAACC here:

http://www.atlantaplanit.com
http://www.metroatlantaarts.org</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Both!  You and I know that I am not above trickery.  </p>
<p>We&#8217;ve found that our blog tends to be more preservation minded than arts minded &#8212; at least when we choose to talk about issues affecting more than just the Wren&#8217;s Nest.  It&#8217;s not that we don&#8217;t want to talk about the arts, but it&#8217;s more like there&#8217;s nobody talking about preservation.</p>
<p>At any rate, we thought this might be a good and relevant opportunity.   </p>
<p>For those of you interested, check out MAACC here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.atlantaplanit.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.atlantaplanit.com</a><br />
<a href="http://www.metroatlantaarts.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.metroatlantaarts.org</a></p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 14:40:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ha. Generous gesture Lain, or a trick to get people to look at your blog?

Just kidding. Maybe you could point the MAACC in the right direction to help them get a website, facebook page, or the like.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ha. Generous gesture Lain, or a trick to get people to look at your blog?</p>
<p>Just kidding. Maybe you could point the MAACC in the right direction to help them get a website, facebook page, or the like.</p>
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		<title>By: lain</title>
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		<dc:creator>lain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 21:09:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good post, Joe.  

Amelia and I were merely at the meeting.  We were no different than any of the other arts organizations present, other than we are willing to provide an online forum to discuss these issues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post, Joe.  </p>
<p>Amelia and I were merely at the meeting.  We were no different than any of the other arts organizations present, other than we are willing to provide an online forum to discuss these issues.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 19:54:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1. Lain, I read both posts and I am not sure what your affiliation with MAACC is, other than you have a relevant organization and that you attended the meeting. Do you and/or Amelia have some major role on the &quot;leaders&quot; of this group?

2. For Turner - it sounds like you have a lot of good ideas, but this might be a lesson for you as well. Although it is great to be passionate and excited about trying to move things forward, it is important to recognize the time and place for presenting such ideas. To try and force a (relevant, but) somewhat-personal agenda is not necessarily appropriate, at a time and place where you are supposed to keep things to 10 minutes. This can be frustrating when you have a lot to say, but in some ways forces you to &quot;go the extra mile&quot; and make sure that people are mentally prepared for what you have to say. This means organizing an event yourself, or getting more involved in certain organizations that you are looking to reach.

Sometimes I also feel like &quot;I am right,&quot; and tend not to speak up unless I feel that&#039;s the case, but I am aware that it can come across as condescending at times. Taking a dismissive attitude and being okay with the fact that you knowingly offend people at times doesn&#039;t tend to serve anyone very well, in the long run.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. Lain, I read both posts and I am not sure what your affiliation with MAACC is, other than you have a relevant organization and that you attended the meeting. Do you and/or Amelia have some major role on the &#8220;leaders&#8221; of this group?</p>
<p>2. For Turner &#8211; it sounds like you have a lot of good ideas, but this might be a lesson for you as well. Although it is great to be passionate and excited about trying to move things forward, it is important to recognize the time and place for presenting such ideas. To try and force a (relevant, but) somewhat-personal agenda is not necessarily appropriate, at a time and place where you are supposed to keep things to 10 minutes. This can be frustrating when you have a lot to say, but in some ways forces you to &#8220;go the extra mile&#8221; and make sure that people are mentally prepared for what you have to say. This means organizing an event yourself, or getting more involved in certain organizations that you are looking to reach.</p>
<p>Sometimes I also feel like &#8220;I am right,&#8221; and tend not to speak up unless I feel that&#8217;s the case, but I am aware that it can come across as condescending at times. Taking a dismissive attitude and being okay with the fact that you knowingly offend people at times doesn&#8217;t tend to serve anyone very well, in the long run.</p>
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		<title>By: ConnectATL</title>
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		<dc:creator>ConnectATL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 22:43:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wanted to also suggest that future meetings be recorded in the event that we have another packed house. (way to go arts and culture, first show is a sell out!)

That or you can raise the price of admission. kidding...kidding...

Even today I can go back to our meetings and revisit what was said in case somebody said something then that we didn&#039;t pick up on. 

Gives other people who might be stuck in traffic at 5:30 that option too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wanted to also suggest that future meetings be recorded in the event that we have another packed house. (way to go arts and culture, first show is a sell out!)</p>
<p>That or you can raise the price of admission. kidding&#8230;kidding&#8230;</p>
<p>Even today I can go back to our meetings and revisit what was said in case somebody said something then that we didn&#8217;t pick up on. </p>
<p>Gives other people who might be stuck in traffic at 5:30 that option too.</p>
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		<title>By: lain</title>
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		<dc:creator>lain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 21:16:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Flora Maria, good call!  I like the mayor&#039;s point that so much of the funding situation hinges on petty politics, meaning it could be just as easy for city council to swing the other way.  

Raye, I like your attitude as per usual.

Greg, I know that my organization in particular could use our outdoor space more efficiently.  We&#039;re definitely open to exploring partnerships with theatre groups that are interested in performing outside.  We have a grass amphitheatre, a stage from 1926, and enough electricity for the Rolling Stones.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Flora Maria, good call!  I like the mayor&#8217;s point that so much of the funding situation hinges on petty politics, meaning it could be just as easy for city council to swing the other way.  </p>
<p>Raye, I like your attitude as per usual.</p>
<p>Greg, I know that my organization in particular could use our outdoor space more efficiently.  We&#8217;re definitely open to exploring partnerships with theatre groups that are interested in performing outside.  We have a grass amphitheatre, a stage from 1926, and enough electricity for the Rolling Stones.</p>
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		<title>By: ConnectATL</title>
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		<dc:creator>ConnectATL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 21:06:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm... I spoke too soon. Greg I like where your head is at!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm&#8230; I spoke too soon. Greg I like where your head is at!</p>
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		<title>By: ConnectATL</title>
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		<dc:creator>ConnectATL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 20:50:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description># Which specific strategies work for your arts organization in this economy?

In the Nightlife Arena We have found that working with younger Artists from our local area has brought out younger audiences. We budget to the venue and set our ticket prices accordingly so that our ticket sales cover the costs of our productions without the assistance of our local government or private donations. We also utilize local graphic designers for our advertising which brings down our marketing costs significantly.

# Which strategies don’t work?

Corporate. We have found that no amount of marketing can match the lip service you receive after delivering a well thought out production that connects with the audience. Atlanta has a lot of turnover as far as its residents go. Long term marketing strategies tend to be lost when the people who witnessed them move away. 

We have found the most important items on our marketing materials are the Date, the Venue and the Name of the Event. If somebody can&#039;t answer who when and where in 5 seconds they tend to move on to the next add. We give the most real estate to those items.

# What can the Atlanta community do to help your organization?

Acknowledge its existence. I spent a lot of time answering questions that I was asked and also speaking to the Specific things that you have asked for feedback on. So far I am the only person who has made suggestions outside the facilitators. 

Many members of the Nightlife community are following this blog and they are going to interpret this as being ignored. I don&#039;t tell them what to think I just let them read what is being said about them.

&quot;Take-Two&quot; suggests that my comments are Once Again Invalid. I went through great lengths to explain myself the first time and now I am having to do so again.

I have been polite and spoke directly to your concerns and offered suggestions based on the questions that were asked. 

You are creating a divide where there doesn&#039;t need to be one. If you wish to exclude Club Culture from your organization please say so openly. 

Otherwise I&#039;d appreciate it if OTHER people had the opportunity to read my comments objectively and respond. 

# Did you think that the MAACC event was helpful?

I could not use most of the advice that was given because it had to do with external funding but I thought the first two presenters did an excellent job laying out a framework to approach the problem Objectively. 

I&#039;m not sure their advice is being employed but I am still hoping to &quot;make new friends&quot; in the Art and Culture community.

I am anxiously awaiting feedback from other folks who have different ideas on how to approach the problem.


Turner</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p># Which specific strategies work for your arts organization in this economy?</p>
<p>In the Nightlife Arena We have found that working with younger Artists from our local area has brought out younger audiences. We budget to the venue and set our ticket prices accordingly so that our ticket sales cover the costs of our productions without the assistance of our local government or private donations. We also utilize local graphic designers for our advertising which brings down our marketing costs significantly.</p>
<p># Which strategies don’t work?</p>
<p>Corporate. We have found that no amount of marketing can match the lip service you receive after delivering a well thought out production that connects with the audience. Atlanta has a lot of turnover as far as its residents go. Long term marketing strategies tend to be lost when the people who witnessed them move away. </p>
<p>We have found the most important items on our marketing materials are the Date, the Venue and the Name of the Event. If somebody can&#8217;t answer who when and where in 5 seconds they tend to move on to the next add. We give the most real estate to those items.</p>
<p># What can the Atlanta community do to help your organization?</p>
<p>Acknowledge its existence. I spent a lot of time answering questions that I was asked and also speaking to the Specific things that you have asked for feedback on. So far I am the only person who has made suggestions outside the facilitators. </p>
<p>Many members of the Nightlife community are following this blog and they are going to interpret this as being ignored. I don&#8217;t tell them what to think I just let them read what is being said about them.</p>
<p>&#8220;Take-Two&#8221; suggests that my comments are Once Again Invalid. I went through great lengths to explain myself the first time and now I am having to do so again.</p>
<p>I have been polite and spoke directly to your concerns and offered suggestions based on the questions that were asked. </p>
<p>You are creating a divide where there doesn&#8217;t need to be one. If you wish to exclude Club Culture from your organization please say so openly. </p>
<p>Otherwise I&#8217;d appreciate it if OTHER people had the opportunity to read my comments objectively and respond. </p>
<p># Did you think that the MAACC event was helpful?</p>
<p>I could not use most of the advice that was given because it had to do with external funding but I thought the first two presenters did an excellent job laying out a framework to approach the problem Objectively. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure their advice is being employed but I am still hoping to &#8220;make new friends&#8221; in the Art and Culture community.</p>
<p>I am anxiously awaiting feedback from other folks who have different ideas on how to approach the problem.</p>
<p>Turner</p>
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